Now I’ve seen everything, public employees turning on Hope and Change!
Former socialist/liberal/progressive, second generation American of Mexican descent, revert to Roman Catholicism and small business owner with an unshakeable belief in our free enterprise system and our Constitutional form of government. Aka TFG
September 20, 2010 at 7:12 pm
@TFG – what? aren’t public employees free minded, red blooded American able to voice an independent opinion? or have we gotten to the point in America that everyone is labeled and if you have a public service job you must be a big government lib? TFG you are reaching or should I behave in your manner and go here with you… are you deliberately finding a video of a Black Person disagreeing with the president?
You see how silly this game of I know what you are up to is? She’s an American voicing her opinion. It still is America right? She’s allowed to do that right?
September 20, 2010 at 11:15 pm
@giant – Of course they are free minded but it is no secret that a very high percentage of government workers support or have supported politicians who are pro big government ( it’s called job security) The point is that it is refreshing that more and more people are coming out of the ether and questioning the direction the administration is taking our country.
I can’t help that she is Black ( if you can find others speaking out publish them) and I think it took a tremendous amount of courage for her to come out and speak her mind. My fear is that she will be targeted like “Joe the Plumber”, lose her job or become discredited in some fashion. This is not a team that plays nice.
September 21, 2010 at 5:57 pm
I saw the video and although I am conservative and human it was refreshing to see the tables turn. However I am everything she is, easily! Once doing okay middle class to now wondering what to eat for dinner. eggs, cheese sandwichs, or whatever else is affordable. We are all feeling the pinch. While I don’t agree with this president and his policies I also cannot afford for him to fail. Her comments I thought were well spoken and her sentiment was outstanding and so real. I could feel her pain and struggles. I did listen to his answer openly but did not find it reassuring. I found some hope but we need instant change. I think he should look to Bill Clinton or someone other than his group of advisors to give the people what they need. All the issues that face us are not going to get fixed overnight, but we do need some quick tweeks to get Americans back on their feet. Big government is not the answer and we should seek to start making cuts were it hurts. Not any time lately has the government in any form taken pay cuts, given back pensions or had to face some of the issues we do every single day! I think most people think this is out of touch but it is so very plausible to do RIGHT NOW! Starting top down. If Scott Walker could do it, I know we can start with the federal congress and work our way down cutting their salaries and pensions, healthcare, and benefits. No more 401 k’s for the milionaires.
She was real and his response was real. I will give him that credit but still it is not enough to say credit card knowledge is going to make them stop increasing their interest rates, it’s just not reality. I need him to not just understand her but feel her pain and then make some real changes.
September 21, 2010 at 11:25 pm
WW you have a tender heart and like the woman in the video you place hope where it is bound to be betrayed. I saw her exasperated face, she a good woman trying to give him the benefit of the doubt still, when he gave his convoluted non-answer. We all want America to be successful (maybe not all) and we’d like to think that if our president is successful the country would benefit, but we must carefully examine what that means not only for us but for all individuals and in particular this President.
Our President’s vision for America is deeply flawed and that being the case, I in good conscience cannot wish him success if for only one reason (but there are many others) and that is his unashamed support for the murder of babies under the mantle of reproductive rights. I only hope that people will honestly scrutinize his actions, and that his administration and of congress to see what they are indeed supporting.
September 21, 2010 at 7:07 pm
As a CFO(Chief Financial Officer) you would think she would have a better understanding of the workings of the financial cycles and the policies that affect them. You could not help feel her pain, because a lot of American really dont understand that their situations in America is bigger than Bush, Obama or any sitting president or Congres for that matter. We are a CAPITALIST nation. Captial rules. Most of us believe that we live in a nation were the goal is prosperity for everyone. That is not and has never been the goal of America. The goal of America is profit, at all cost.
September 21, 2010 at 11:01 pm
I agree with you on your first two points and there was a time I would of agreed with you on your last three point when I was a socialist. I too was moved by her pain and disillusionment as it invoked memories of my naive idealism, but being a former Marxist I saw it coming.
You seem like a sincere fellow but where did you learn that ” The goal of America is profit, at all cost.” ? That isn’t the America I live in nor is it the creed of any successful business colleagues I know personally. Profit is a good thing, it is spoken highly of in scripture. Sure greed exists whether corporate or otherwise, and profit at all cost is evil, but that isn’t the goal of the majority of entrepreneurs and executives.
I don’t know how old you are but take it from someone who traveled to two communist countries in search of utopia that of all the economic systems out there, while not perfect, I wouldn’t trade ours for any other.
I recommend you read Thomas Sowell’s excellent book “Basic Economics” and take a peek at this fine video:
September 23, 2010 at 12:30 pm
@TFG To answer your first question, I realized that America was about profit at all cost, when I learned that the reason why the American dream is still a dream is because its more profitable that way. I am a 50 year old man, who has been to several countries, for vacation, not utopia, I know that utopia is a state of mind more so than a geographical state. You speak of the America you live in an therein lies the problem. There should only be one America, or is that a naive concept.
Im going to have to disagree with you when you say that the goal of of majority of corporations and CEO’s isnt profit at all cost, when even the humanitarian gestures they make go just far enought to maximize the tax break and engender the goodwill of the public. When 10-15 hourly jobs will be sacrificed to save one CEO’s salary and you can only get the ear of a politician at a $1000 per plate fundraiser.
Im not saying that everyone in America is a heartless profiteer, Im just saying that anyone who is not doesnt have the profits to put out an ad campaign telling their point of view.
Im sorry, when the video started off taking me in the President Obama-bashing direction, I realized what was coming next. In the context of what America is or isnt today Presdent Obama is a non-issue.
I respectfully suggest you read a copy of a daily newspaper from the last 25-30 years.
September 24, 2010 at 12:40 am
Thank you for your response. It sounds like you have given up on the American dream for yourself, and that’s rather sad. I’m 57, have owned 6 business and I am working on my 7th. I’ve had good times and bad along with my share of failures but you just can never quit.
On the contrary, utopia isn’t a state of mind or geographical state, it is an ideal society.
There is only one America but many perceptions of it, some see the glass half full and others half empty to some degree or another.
Salaries should reward performance, that being said, when CEO’s don’t deserve their compensation it is up to the board or the stockholders to hold him accountable but that doesn’t have anything to do with hourly workers.
If a politician only responds in the manner you say it time give them heat (Tea Parties) or support another candidate.
You prejudged and bailed on the video too soon, the Center for Freedom and Prosperity in other videos also criticizes Pres. Bush. They are non-partisan and view things from a libertarian perspective ( I differ with them on social issues). You can’t go around with your head in the sand discounting things before you hear them out. They will help you understand how our economic system actually works. visit : http://www.freedomandprosperity.org/videos/videos.shtml
September 24, 2010 at 6:42 pm
I havent given up on the American dream I simply live an American reality thats called my life. Dont get me wrong, my bags arent packed to leave America. I am America. I dont see my life being better if I were somewhere else on the planet. Ive owned a couple of businesses and havent given up nor do I plan to, I happen to be one of those “life is a journey” type people. In order to have an ideal society, you would have to have ideal people; I dont think the latter exist. I believe in the good in maknkind. I imagine that all we can ask of each other is that we be the best human beings we are capable of being.
When CEO’s and Board of Directors want to return larger profits to shareholders, who usually are not hourly workers in any majority, they dont cut their salaries, or eliminate their jobs. They cut hourly and lower management positions and benefits. This directly affects salaried workers.
If the Tea Party gains any traction beyond the sound bytes, and a few local elections they will start to look more like the other two parties, I do believe. It remains to be seen. I personally am trying to fighure out who they are “taking their country back” from and where are they are taking it back to. Go too far back and I cant sit in the front of the bus.
You cant bury your head in the sand is true, but you cant expect to effect change in the U.S. through the Libertarian Party either, there message simply hasnt found a big following and they have zero influence on the national scence.
My political philosophy is, no permanent friends, no permanent enemies only permanent interest.
September 25, 2010 at 4:49 pm
I agree, we definitely are an imperfect people and there isn’t anything on earth we can’t screw up but we have to keep working towards the goal.
People misunderstand the Tea Party movement. It is not a political party, it is a spontaneous grass roots movement around the nation with no centralized leadership. It is comprised of a loose association of independent local grass roots organizations supporting, free enterprise, limited government, fiscal responsibility and tax relief.
“Taking Our Country Back” is in reference to their common objection to intrusive government, higher taxes, irresponsible spending along with an filial love for the Constitution which is being trampled upon by the government class of bureaucrats and establishment politicians of either party.
The Center for Freedom and Prosperity while being libertarian in nature is not associated with the “Libertarian Party” who I agree has zero influence and for which I am glad.
Our greatest weakness as Americans is that we don’t recognize the opportunity in our own back yard where many immigrants do . They then consequently grab the American Dream right in front of our noses.
I’m glad to hear you haven’t given up and I hope to see you at a tea party in the future.
September 26, 2010 at 4:49 pm
@TFG Well much of what you said I do not disagree with. The part about not taking advantage of our opportunities however is one I have some pause on because I am African-American and I dare challenge anybody who can show that racism in American has not handicapped our socio-economic progress in America. While at the same time, had not the government stepped in to enforce the law of the land certain forces would have denied Black people due process. So I have nothing against the Tea Party, I just wonder where they been the eight years before Obama became president.
September 26, 2010 at 11:21 pm
Racism will never be fully eradicated but is it is hard to argue that racism is less of a factor today than it was 50 years ago and in its place I submit that it is the acceptance of victimology and entitlement that are increasingly today’s major culprits.
The roots of the Tea Party began to percolate in isolated parts of the country (the citizens revolt and win over former Exec. Ament was a precursor to the T-Party here locally) and began to grow as Pres. Bush began to abandon free market principles and opened the door to massive government social and economic engineering (No Child Left Behind, Prescription Drug Expansion, Stimulus I, and TARP). Since being handed the ball, our new President has taking that same mindset to another level, adding more debt than ALL the Presidents combined before him while at the same time ushering in an expansion of government like never seen before in America History. Here is a young root of the tea party during Bush’s Presidency:
You see Hope and Change was a purposefully a vague concept that many people read many things into. Americans are now coming to see that this blitzkrieg towards a European style social democracy isn’t America’s cup of tea.
September 27, 2010 at 4:25 am
@TFG I think racism is more subtle, more encrypted in the code today yet still quite evident. I like the way some act as if being a victim is a badge of honor that oppressed people yearn to attain. I think the very word victim implies not having a choice in the matter. We are a nation of laws, laws made to protect us from government, each other and to create order from the neighborhood up to the national. We have to enforce those laws or else all bets are off. “Entitlement” is akin to “Manifest Destiny.” Everybody wants some of the goods and services available on the continent. Im sure my Red brothers would agree on that.
All that stuff about national debt and expanding or shrinking economies are shell games. Bosses are still grabbing and working people are hurting. Social Democracy, Tea Party, all the same if at the end of the day you have the mass of the people as fodder for the machinery.
September 27, 2010 at 11:16 am
@Disrael, Well I agree with you with respect to the importance of respecting the fact that we are a nation of laws which is why the total non-enforcement of our immigration laws and the selective enforcement of civil rights laws by this administration is so troubling.
Beyond that I will have to disagree with you and leave it at that.
Thanks for the dialog. – TFG
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